Comments on: Simon & Schuster Joins Forces With Author Solutions To Rip Off Writers 11/2012/simon-schuster-joins-forces-with-author-solutions-to-rip-off-writers/ A Lawyer's Thoughts on Authors, Self-Publishing and Traditional Publishing Mon, 14 Jul 2014 01:41:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Kat Sheridan 11/2012/simon-schuster-joins-forces-with-author-solutions-to-rip-off-writers/#comment-63215 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:48:30 +0000 ?p=26356#comment-63215 I know there’s a massive yahoo loop for indie romance writers (traditional or indie, romance writers are among the most well informed writers on the planet. Too many years of being treated like bon-bon-eating, feather-boa-wearing pea brains I guess). Don’t know if there’s a similar non-romance indie loop.

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By: Mira 11/2012/simon-schuster-joins-forces-with-author-solutions-to-rip-off-writers/#comment-63162 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:45:09 +0000 ?p=26356#comment-63162 Bridget and Tom – I know, it’s so sad that authors aren’t educated.

I’ve been thinking about this lately, and if there is any way to address it. Is there a central blog for indie folk and information about indies?

Also, I was toying with the idea of an outreach team. Maybe we should go to the source. :)

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By: Tom Simon 11/2012/simon-schuster-joins-forces-with-author-solutions-to-rip-off-writers/#comment-63149 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:04:36 +0000 ?p=26356#comment-63149 Sadly, I think you’re right about the people who most need to know. Back in the Lower Cretaceous, when I were a wee lad, I learned not to waste money on vanity presses from Writer’s Digest. Today, Writer’s Digest is running its own vanity-press scam. The sheepdogs are eating the sheep.

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By: Bridget McKenna 11/2012/simon-schuster-joins-forces-with-author-solutions-to-rip-off-writers/#comment-63136 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:01:43 +0000 ?p=26356#comment-63136 Sadly, Victoria often gets in digs at indies, whom she seems to look down on. And yes, the very people who most need to know the difference between being an author-publisher and “self-publishing” schemes like this one will never be exposed to David’s article, PG’s blog, Kris’s Business Rusch, or any of the other great advice out there. We can hope that a few of them will know someone who knows someone who…

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By: Tom Simon 11/2012/simon-schuster-joins-forces-with-author-solutions-to-rip-off-writers/#comment-63075 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:07:55 +0000 ?p=26356#comment-63075 “S&S will refer authors who submit unsolicited manuscripts to the Archway program”.

In other words, this is all about monetizing the slush pile — just the thing I’ve been accusing them of.

Of course, this creates a direct conflict of interest that can only be detrimental to S&S’s core business —

Old model: S&S earn nothing from a rejected manuscript. Handling submissions is a pure expense, but a necessary one, because only by doing so can they find books to publish. There is no incentive to reject books; only the books they accept can generate revenue and profit for the firm.

New model: S&S earn money from rejections by referring them to their sock-puppet vanity imprint. They now have a positive incentive to reject books. Every book ‘published’ by Archway represents a guaranteed profit, even if nobody ever buys a copy: cost + profit come from the writer up front. If they accept a book, it may lose money; if they get the author to waste the book by consigning it to the hell of an Archway deal, it will certainly make them money. This creates clear and obvious pressure to go for the vanity referral in all dubious cases.

Problem: any writer not fresh off the turnip truck will be outraged at this treatment, and not only will not buy a vanity deal from Archway, but will regard S&S with scorn and contempt thereafter — not submit to them anymore — and talk about it.

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By: Chong Go 11/2012/simon-schuster-joins-forces-with-author-solutions-to-rip-off-writers/#comment-63045 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:35:53 +0000 ?p=26356#comment-63045 Or the RICO indictments.

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By: Mira 11/2012/simon-schuster-joins-forces-with-author-solutions-to-rip-off-writers/#comment-62990 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:52:09 +0000 ?p=26356#comment-62990 Outstanding article by David, as per usual. I’m so glad we have David writing for us! He is a fantastic advocate!

I liked Victoria’s article too, except where she rolled her eyes at self-publishers for calling for change, but not liking this. Huh? That was weird and made no sense.

I’m really glad authors are rallying around this. The sad thing is that the authors who most need to read these articles, probably won’t.

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By: Mira 11/2012/simon-schuster-joins-forces-with-author-solutions-to-rip-off-writers/#comment-62989 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:46:36 +0000 ?p=26356#comment-62989 Barbara: word.

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By: Steven J Pemberton 11/2012/simon-schuster-joins-forces-with-author-solutions-to-rip-off-writers/#comment-62987 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:32:48 +0000 ?p=26356#comment-62987 I like the way their “author profile video” service (http://www.archwaypublishing.com/Servicestore/ServiceDetail.aspx?ServiceId=BS-5514) costs six grand for them to spend ninety minutes filming you in one location, and yet the edits they’re willing to include in the price don’t cover things like “you didn’t include that shot of me playing ping-pong with my cat” or “eww, there’s a curry stain on the bottom of my T-shirt, can you do a digital zoom to crop it out?”

I know just enough about video to be dangerous, and I’m struggling to think how I’d hire enough people with that amount of money for them all to have something to do, even if I was padding the price to make a profit for myself.

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By: D.L. Shutter 11/2012/simon-schuster-joins-forces-with-author-solutions-to-rip-off-writers/#comment-62982 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:34:29 +0000 ?p=26356#comment-62982 As usual, D. Gaughran doesn’t hit the nail on the head, he splits one nail in half with a second nail with his fisking of this steaming turd pile of a “service”. This is “Book Country F&*k” with a different, cheap paintjob and even more outlandish fees and terms. As if that were possible.

And as many have pointed out (as evidenced by the posts from those that still rally around agent blogs and shout “hooray” to all the recent “we’re still necessary” posts) writers who still need a stamp on their forhead will line up and shell out to bend over for this.

And all that will serve (because it won’t serve the writer’s) is the profitability of sales venture’s like this, meaning these scam services will only grow in number and scope.

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