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Stuff, Things and a Farewell to Ellora’s Cave

6 October 2016

From author Stacia Kane:

I imagine many of you have already heard about the closure of Ellora’s Cave Publishing.

When I started writing seriously in 2005/2006, EC was the biggest name out there in erotic romance. Everyone wanted to be an EC author; it was a goal of mine, and I’ll never forget the day I got that acceptance email from them. I was thrilled.

I know a lot of authors did not have a great experience with/at EC. I’ve heard (a few of) their stories. I know many people felt honestly cheated and betrayed by them, and those stories, those feelings, are valid; their experience was their experience, and just because mine was different doesn’t mean theirs was or is untrue. It’s the nature of publishing, to some degree, that different writers can have wildly different experiences with the same publisher. While I honestly saw/heard nothing that led me to believe EC was being malicious or deliberately mistreating authors, again, that does NOT mean that A) it didn’t happen; and B) that those authors are wrong to feel that they were maliciously or deliberately mistreated. In other words, if there are authors out there telling stories about their ill treatment at the hands of EC, I believe them–I absolutely do–and I’m not at all saying they’re lying or exaggerating.

. . . .

I stopped actively writing for EC because I’d moved in a new direction with my work and didn’t have the time (or the option clauses) that would allow it, but that is the only reason I stopped. I made good money at EC. I loved being, and was proud to be, one of their authors–I always will be proud to have been one of their authors.

. . . .

However, their closure does mean that the rights to all of my EC books revert to me. For a while I’ve been toying with the idea of getting them all together, re-editing them (mostly to remove stylistic quirks put in place due to EC’s rather specific house style, which I admit to never being a huge fan of), and releasing them all.

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15 Comments to “Stuff, Things and a Farewell to Ellora’s Cave”

  1. Good to hear they were actually closed down (no horse in that race, but some of the stunts I heard they pulled were truly strange.)

  2. I’ve heard elsewhere that authors get their rights back if they “waive any claim/s to outstanding royalty monies owed” them by EC.

  3. Good riddance.

  4. Good. And the best part is the reversal of rights to the authors, who can now self-publish and not have to give Tina a single dime more of their earnings. 😀

  5. The only real question these past months on the romance writers’ loops was whether this was going to be a fast-ugly collapse or a slow-ugly collapse. I doubt any of the authors owed royalties for a year or more will see dime-one, whether they’re able to get their rights reverted or not.

    ETA: can’t verify this information, but word was out as late as a couple months ago, that EC was still soliciting submissions. What a faff-up.

  6. “While I honestly saw/heard nothing that led me to believe EC was being malicious or deliberately mistreating authors”
    Where were you the last couple of years? There has been plenty posted online which proves this.

    • Read the rest of it:

      “While I honestly saw/heard nothing that led me to believe EC was being malicious or deliberately mistreating authors, again, that does NOT mean that A) it didn’t happen; and B) that those authors are wrong to feel that they were maliciously or deliberately mistreated. In other words, if there are authors out there telling stories about their ill treatment at the hands of EC, I believe them–I absolutely do–and I’m not at all saying they’re lying or exaggerating.”

      None of it splashed on them, so they ‘saw’ nothing but they did hear things. Also worded so EC can’t try to sue them as EC has done others for bringing it up.

  7. Operative word reveal; Authors “felt” they were mistreated.

    No. Authors *knew* they were deceived, had facts, it was not a ‘feely-feeling.’

    Dont know how an EC author could not know things were going from bad to badder given EC’s principal carrying on all over the internet for at least two years, along with posting her green picture.

    Hope those authors screwed out of money, get all rights back and then some, and quickly.

  8. Hey guys,

    Thanks for the re-post!

    I just wanted to clarify: “Where [I was] the last couple of years” has been largely offline. I haven’t been reading any romance/genre blogs, really, and haven’t been paying attention to what’s been happening in the romance community. I had honestly NO idea that there were authors not being paid until, well, today, when I decided to have a look and see what the other reactions to EC’s closure have been. (My own EC checks have long gone to a forwarding-and-deposit service because I’m not in the US, and because my last release with them was seven or eight years ago my royalties were pretty much single-digits for the last several years; I noticed I wasn’t getting deposits but assumed it was because I didn’t have any sales.)

    My comment(s) about stories of other authors related mostly to issues that took place pre-2009 or so, and were nowhere near as cut-and-dried as “Not getting royalties owed.” Hence my statement about authors feeling that they were mistreated. It certainly wasn’t meant as some sort of “I’m sorry you FEEL that way,” weasel-wording.

    It was simply intended to recognize that there were issues with the place and that I knew some people had negative feelings about it, and to validate those feelings and experiences while still relating my own–I’ve been on the other side of that, relating my own extremely negative experiences with, say, Publisher Y, and been shot down, insulted, and yelled at by people insisting that Publisher Y is/was the greatest and anyone who says differently is a liar. All I wanted to do in my post was make clear that I was *not* calling anyone a liar, but that I had no personal experience with the “dark side” and that my own experience was genuinely positive. It certainly wasn’t my intent to downplay issues as serious as withheld royalties; I was simply, genuinely unaware of them.

    I’m going to go make a statement on my own blog, to clarify.

    Thanks again for the re-post.

  9. Tip-toed around that potential defamation suit, didn’t she? Some things are alleged to have happened, but it wasn’t to her, but let’s stand up for people’s fee-fees that they believed something happened.

    I was never published by that company, and even I know there was some crazy stuff going on there. Goodness. But, she’s got her rights back, so it’s all good.

  10. the marshmallow world of ‘feeeeeeelings’, who felt what, isnt going to cut it, nor is running to be apologist for x for no reason I can discern.

    The facts, not feelings, stand for themselves, and the authors that were alert, were watching, were trummeled, were misused, were brave and aware… they have my sympathies. The rip van winkles of the world, sorry, too many historical tragedies from ‘i didnt know, oh I wasnt ‘paying attention’ oh, I was busy elsewhere….’ when it was right under the noses of those who say they belonged to x community… and their odd lack of curiousity is a puzzle in itself.

  11. I’m so glad Stacia had a mostly-positive (except for the mail-forwarding) experience with the publisher.

    But jeez, when so many authors have spoken out against the publisher for months, years, and you just have to share your own mostly-positive experience? It can kind of seem like you’re trying to drown out all the “negativity”.

    This was likely NOT Stacia’s intention, because she was ignorant of the entire situation. But I can only imagine how those authors who’ve been fighting this for months would have felt reading Stacia’s post (and her follow-up post today).

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